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as you know there's been this ongoing

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debate well you it's it's not scientific

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they're just these anecdotal accounts

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and besides you could never study this

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scientifically and I always like to

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point people to your research and I say

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no here's really a wonderfully simple

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experiment that was done okay so what I

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did was over the period of five years I

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interviewed for the first year I

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interviewed every single patient who

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survived their admission to the

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intensive care unit and I wanted to make

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sure that I didn't miss any patients and

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what I found at the end of the first do

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it was that I was actually spending

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longer in the hospital than I was at

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home so I couldn't sustain that for the

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following five four years though what I

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thought what I did then is I narrowed

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down the kind of the group I was

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interviewing so I only approached

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patients who had undergone cardiac

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arrest and survived

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and although the sample was a little

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smaller than the first year what I found

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is that in 30 out of 39 patients who had

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been successfully resuscitated seven of

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them recalled a near-death experience

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and that's you know it's nearly 18

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percent of patients who survived cardiac

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arrest had this kind of experience and

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what I also did is I documented their

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blood results at the time I looked at

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the drugs that were given and I also

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interviewed the staff members who were

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looking after the patient so the nurses

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and the doctors I asked them if one of

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the patient if the patient reported the

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out-of-body component I would then try

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and verify what it was they were what

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they described I would I verified that

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within the nurses and the doctors who

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were looking after them tell people

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about the control group who is the

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people who didn't remember right yes

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that's right so what I did with the

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control group I had then patients who'd

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been successfully resuscitated but they

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didn't have a near-death experience or

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they didn't have the antibody component

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and I asked them if they could describe

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what they thought that we had done to

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them and they were like what do you mean

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I don't I was

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I don't remember anything right exactly

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that's right they were saying why are

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you asking me this I have no idea what

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you did to me at all like and the

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majority of them couldn't even guess

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they couldn't make a guess as to what

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we've done and then a few of them then

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did make a guess and it was based on T V

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Hospital dramas that they've been

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watching and what I found was that there

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were errors and misconceptions in what

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they thought we had done to them and so

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some of them thought that they had been

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BC shocked with the paddles and they

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hadn't those people had just had the

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resuscitation the CPR and drugs

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administered such as adrenaline or

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noradrenaline and then some of them made

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educated guesses but the police where

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they thought that we put the paddles on